Pat Schroder, Jamie LaRue, Kim Dority, Ruth Anna
- RE: Google Print
- JL
- why would libs allow google to this
- improve access
- people are not reading books at the computer
- continues promotion of the book
- digitization can save materials (loss from Kartina) / backup copies
- copyright greediness on the part of the publishers
- DMCA
- Not benefiting the author
- why are the publishers entitled
- KD
- agrees with JL if prior to this, google had talked to the publishers and asked
- why didn’t they ask to work together on this?
- “info wants to be free” but it’s not free
- libraries are the end of a value chain
- Dependant on publishing companies, let’s not upset them
- maybe the DMCA did go to far
- if publishers have no reason to put out content then libraries are out of business
- publishing margins are very small
- royalties are even smaller
- google is making money off of it and screwing the publishers
- it’s not the library’s right to give that content to google
- but, libraries can’t afford to do it themselves
- clear financial trade off between google and the libraries
- good idea, but approached the wrong way
- PS
- liked KD’s comments
- publishers like but the library program isn’t working with the publishers
- Harvard Law lib, she’s offended that they give that content to a for profit company as a former student
- libraries shouldn’t be giving away their treasures for google to make money off of
- good for authors, good for publishers, but really good for google
- orphan’s works debate needs to be solved
- RA
- lay person
- neither side is correct
- a middle ground needs to be found
- JL
- Why can’t I hire google to make an archival copy?
- publishers don’t make the content, authors don’t make the content
- google has demonstrated an emerging business model
- where’s the publishers using that model?
- PS
- Google print pays a percentage of the ad revenue (sharing)
- Library program is not doing this
- Audience comment:
- what are the terms of the licenses?
- UM contract is now online
- Should the bullies get that much media time / publishing materials from both far ends of the political spectrum
- RA
- problem with the lecture, we just heard one viewpoint
- wanted a point-counter point
- played to the audience
- that’s not intellectual development
- reaction should have been heard from someone who likes the patriot act
- didn’t increase my knowledge
- I’m not part of the religious right, it shouldn’t be in the political arena
- The left has used the bully pulpit too
- we’re not hearing from both sides
- libraries are the last bastion of unfiltered information
- we need to educate on both sides of the issue
- not seen that @
- JL
- targeted by Focus on the Family in
- gave the opposing views a platform
- they’ve said they were treated well & with respect
- FOTF hasn’t invited a librarian to talk to them
- librarians have a better record on opening the debate to others
- RA
- doesn’t consider FOTF the right, but radicals
- don’t categorize the right as a religious right
- PS
- sorry if RA was offended
- thinks the radicals have a pulpit in the republican right
- libraries should be places that have the DNA of the culture
- How did we embolden people to attack libraries so much
- how do we push back
- everyone wants to stay in their clic, and that’s dangerous
- RA
- in 60s and 70s it was the opposite
- the left was doing that
- doesn’t think it’ll succeed
- Audience comment
- i hear the opposite point of view in the media all the time
- needs to hear clear thinking and support at this conference
- so she can go back into the public and deal with the mother trying to censor
- appreciates the help from the people at the conference
- JL
- book: “What Johnny Can’t Read”
- textbook industry decided to remove what’s been objected to, not to show both sides
- book: “The Godless Constitution”
- KD
- question for RA: libraries are under duress from the religions right, taking out the conservative moderates, how would you make libraries change to fit your vision?
- RA
- just public libraries
- staunchest supporters are the trustees
- trustees need to listed
- they feel alienated
- bring them in to work with you
- worked against state CIPA
- but also let the trustees hear the other side says
- trustees are the front line defense and advocates
- audience comment
- RA has crystallized it
- how have they become emboldened to impose their will on us via government?
- this is the point
- what have done, are doing, aren’t doing to let them get away with it
- RA
- we’re not showing up at caucuses
- we’re not voting
- select delegates that will represent you
- select the best candidates (from those available) are on the ballot
- don’t expect a blank check
- JL
- agree with showing up to take over the caucuses
- gorilla librarianship
- “whiter the public good” (speakers from the legislators brought in)
- ask intelligent questions of the legislators
- conduct a reference interview
- PS
- what do you do about school libraries
- a lot of front-line pressure
- they don’t have trustees (school board, principal, superintendent)
- The school librarians get hit the hardest
- how can we support them
- Audience
- last spring HS library got a challenge of “The Bluest Eye”
- parent complained
- opt-out policy
- inappropriate for ninth grade
- filed challenge according to policy
- if principal hadn’t been new, probably wouldn’t have caved
- curriculum level issue this time
- went to board
- tried to compromise in moving the book to 11th grade
- another parent read rape scene to the board out of context
- the board then pulled the book 3-2 from the curriculum and the libraries
- board didn’t follow the policy
- had a read-in, kids brought their own copies
- media was there
- the kids had an impact
- district tried to keep it under wraps at first
- Now there’s a new board
- the book still needs to come back up for review to resubmit
- PS
- How do we solve this problem?
- Has
- Educate them on the issue
- use that as a case study
- moderator
- we need more school librarians on the intellectual freedom committee
- Audience
- good example of where public and school libraries can work together
- libraries need to be neutral, where both sides can get together
- total disconnect between school and libraries in this situation
- RA
- There are many CO organizations that can help
- support, presentations, get access to records
- Call the media, CO Bar
- if they’re not following policy they are breaking the law
- get outside your safety realm to deal with these issues
- public business needs to be conducted in the public
- Audience
- Person dealing with this issue did everything right
- contacted others for help (local and national)
- you have a process because people do have the right to challenge
- make sure the process is followed
- moderator
- make sure you know who to call for support
- publics should pay attention to schools & vice versa
- CAL President
- school librarian
- should be a presentation next year on who are these organizations who can help
- put this information on the CAL Web site
- audience
- what are the counterpoints when you have a national government official trying to tell libraries what can be in the library? (Tom Tancredo and Spanish fotonovellas)
- JL
- unruly patron that needed to be ejected
- book: “The Fourth Turning”
- point of maximum fragmentation
- More lefties – that’s a baby boomer observation
- anti-immigration fear he was riding
- go back tot he trustees
- we are common and neutral ground
- what is the real issue
- audience
- why CAL &
- DPL director felt they could handle it on their own
- Audience
- is there a threat to CO like KS and intelligent design re: science books being pulled from libraries
- RA
- yes, there’s a danger anywhere
- that issue or another
- it’s up to the people who say no
- it’s up to the people to elect people who say no
- get off your duff and do something
- don’t believe that particular issue will happen in CO, we’re too outspoken
- JL
- Where have the newspapers been on this issue
- they were in favor of filtering
- science coverage in the papers is slim
- newspapers like to point out the “one crackpot” not the scientific consensus
- the press is standing away from libraries until there’s something sensational
- KD
- agrees with RA & JL
- bigger issue: the entire library profession has been pushed into a reactionary stance
- very little training on how to stop the bullies and be proactive in library schools
- we need to learn how to be an advocacy force
- look for that training in your community
- we risk becoming invisible if we don’t
- we need to change fast
- moderator
- we feel trapped
- can’t advocate without betraying the sense of neutrality (afraid of that)
- maybe we’re looking at the issues too narrowly
- need to find a way to talk about our principles in a way at grounds us, allows us to stay neutral
- audience
- by not being neutral
- librarians should not be neutral
- library is not neutral, it’s a safe place
- describing ourselves as neutral we paint ourselves into a corner
- JL
- change it a little: we need to be common and neutral ground
- we’re politically isolated
- we need to become community activists
- leave the library, invite people into the library
- more directly engage the people who set the community perception
- audience
- school librarians need to be a reflection of the community in which they teach
- one of five democrats in the town
- library needed to be rebuilt
- put in teen sexuality books into the library
- all well reviewed and accepted
- parents went ballistic
- needed to write a book challenge policy
- board had to approve it
- she was not a reflection of her community
- board wasn’t happy
- board chair was upset that librarian had such power to choose
- said you can monitor what your child reads, but not what my child reads
- stood up to the bullies on the board
- got policy adopted
- next librarian got rid of all those books
- moderator
- it’s a difficult thing to deal with
- remain approachable at the reference desk
- Final thoughts
- KD
- teach in DU program
- send student into the profession
- proud of the work this profession does
- JL
- “engaged in a battle of ideas and libraries arm both sides”
- RA
- moving forward and fall flat on your face, you’re still moving forward
- if you settle an issue without debate, you’ve not settled the issue
- just because I disagree doesn’t mean I don’t like you
