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Archive for » November 12th, 2005«

Infinite Flickr #183


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All gone… I lasted longer that I thought I would.

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CAL2005: Pat Schroeder Reactor Panel

Pat Schroder, Jamie LaRue, Kim Dority, Ruth Anna

  • RE: Google Print
    • JL
      • why would libs allow google to this
        • improve access
        • people are not reading books at the computer
        • continues promotion of the book
        • digitization can save materials (loss from Kartina) / backup copies
        • copyright greediness on the part of the publishers
        • DMCA
        • Not benefiting the author
        • why are the publishers entitled
    • KD
      • agrees with JL if prior to this, google had talked to the publishers and asked
      • why didn’t they ask to work together on this?
      • “info wants to be free” but it’s not free
      • libraries are the end of a value chain
      • Dependant on publishing companies, let’s not upset them
      • maybe the DMCA did go to far
      • if publishers have no reason to put out content then libraries are out of business
      • publishing margins are very small
      • royalties are even smaller
      • google is making money off of it and screwing the publishers
      • it’s not the library’s right to give that content to google
      • but, libraries can’t afford to do it themselves
      • clear financial trade off between google and the libraries
      • good idea, but approached the wrong way
    • PS
      • liked KD’s comments
      • publishers like but the library program isn’t working with the publishers
      • Harvard Law lib, she’s offended that they give that content to a for profit company as a former student
      • libraries shouldn’t be giving away their treasures for google to make money off of
      • good for authors, good for publishers, but really good for google
      • orphan’s works debate needs to be solved
    • RA
      • lay person
      • neither side is correct
      • a middle ground needs to be found
    • JL
      • Why can’t I hire google to make an archival copy?
      • publishers don’t make the content, authors don’t make the content
      • google has demonstrated an emerging business model
      • where’s the publishers using that model?
    • PS
      • Google print pays a percentage of the ad revenue (sharing)
      • Library program is not doing this
    • Audience comment:
      • what are the terms of the licenses?
      • UM contract is now online
  • Should the bullies get that much media time / publishing materials from both far ends of the political spectrum
    • RA
      • problem with the lecture, we just heard one viewpoint
      • wanted a point-counter point
      • played to the audience
      • that’s not intellectual development
      • reaction should have been heard from someone who likes the patriot act
      • didn’t increase my knowledge
      • I’m not part of the religious right, it shouldn’t be in the political arena
      • The left has used the bully pulpit too
      • we’re not hearing from both sides
      • libraries are the last bastion of unfiltered information
      • we need to educate on both sides of the issue
      • not seen that @ CAL in four years
    • JL
      • CAL does sponsor debates
      • targeted by Focus on the Family in Douglas County
      • gave the opposing views a platform
      • they’ve said they were treated well & with respect
      • FOTF hasn’t invited a librarian to talk to them
      • librarians have a better record on opening the debate to others
    • RA
      • doesn’t consider FOTF the right, but radicals
      • don’t categorize the right as a religious right
    • PS
      • sorry if RA was offended
      • thinks the radicals have a pulpit in the republican right
      • libraries should be places that have the DNA of the culture
      • CAL makes sure that librarians are beat up for having all that information
      • How did we embolden people to attack libraries so much
      • how do we push back
      • everyone wants to stay in their clic, and that’s dangerous
    • RA
      • in 60s and 70s it was the opposite
      • the left was doing that
      • doesn’t think it’ll succeed
    • Audience comment
      • i hear the opposite point of view in the media all the time
      • needs to hear clear thinking and support at this conference
      • so she can go back into the public and deal with the mother trying to censor
      • appreciates the help from the people at the conference
    • JL
      • book: “What Johnny Can’t Read”
      • textbook industry decided to remove what’s been objected to, not to show both sides
      • book: “The Godless Constitution”
    • KD
      • question for RA: libraries are under duress from the religions right, taking out the conservative moderates, how would you make libraries change to fit your vision?
    • RA
      • just public libraries
      • staunchest supporters are the trustees
      • trustees need to listed
      • they feel alienated
      • bring them in to work with you
      • worked against state CIPA
      • but also let the trustees hear the other side says
      • trustees are the front line defense and advocates
    • audience comment
      • RA has crystallized it
      • how have they become emboldened to impose their will on us via government?
      • this is the point
      • what have done, are doing, aren’t doing to let them get away with it
    • RA
      • we’re not showing up at caucuses
      • we’re not voting
      • select delegates that will represent you
      • select the best candidates (from those available) are on the ballot
      • don’t expect a blank check
    • JL
      • agree with showing up to take over the caucuses
      • gorilla librarianship
      • “whiter the public good” (speakers from the legislators brought in)
      • ask intelligent questions of the legislators
      • conduct a reference interview
    • PS
      • what do you do about school libraries
      • a lot of front-line pressure
      • they don’t have trustees (school board, principal, superintendent)
      • The school librarians get hit the hardest
      • how can we support them
    • Audience
      • last spring HS library got a challenge of “The Bluest Eye”
      • parent complained
      • opt-out policy
      • inappropriate for ninth grade
      • filed challenge according to policy
      • if principal hadn’t been new, probably wouldn’t have caved
      • Littleton never before banned a book from the library
      • curriculum level issue this time
      • went to board
      • tried to compromise in moving the book to 11th grade
      • another parent read rape scene to the board out of context
      • the board then pulled the book 3-2 from the curriculum and the libraries
      • board didn’t follow the policy
      • had a read-in, kids brought their own copies
      • media was there
      • the kids had an impact
      • district tried to keep it under wraps at first
      • Now there’s a new board
      • the book still needs to come back up for review to resubmit
    • PS
      • How do we solve this problem?
      • Has CAL done a workshop for the CO principals?
      • Educate them on the issue
      • use that as a case study
    • moderator
      • we need more school librarians on the intellectual freedom committee
    • Audience
      • good example of where public and school libraries can work together
      • libraries need to be neutral, where both sides can get together
      • total disconnect between school and libraries in this situation
    • RA
      • There are many CO organizations that can help
      • support, presentations, get access to records
      • Call the media, CO Bar
      • if they’re not following policy they are breaking the law
      • get outside your safety realm to deal with these issues
      • public business needs to be conducted in the public
    • Audience
      • Person dealing with this issue did everything right
      • contacted others for help (local and national)
      • you have a process because people do have the right to challenge
      • make sure the process is followed
    • moderator
      • make sure you know who to call for support
      • publics should pay attention to schools & vice versa
    • CAL President
      • school librarian
      • should be a presentation next year on who are these organizations who can help
      • put this information on the CAL Web site
    • audience
    • what are the counterpoints when you have a national government official trying to tell libraries what can be in the library? (Tom Tancredo and Spanish fotonovellas)
    • JL
      • unruly patron that needed to be ejected
      • book: “The Fourth Turning”
      • point of maximum fragmentation
      • More lefties – that’s a baby boomer observation
      • anti-immigration fear he was riding
      • go back tot he trustees
      • we are common and neutral ground
      • what is the real issue
    • audience
      • why CAL & ALA didn’t respond to Tom’s issues
      • DPL director felt they could handle it on their own
    • Audience
      • is there a threat to CO like KS and intelligent design re: science books being pulled from libraries
    • RA
      • yes, there’s a danger anywhere
      • that issue or another
      • it’s up to the people who say no
      • it’s up to the people to elect people who say no
      • get off your duff and do something
      • don’t believe that particular issue will happen in CO, we’re too outspoken
    • JL
      • Where have the newspapers been on this issue
      • they were in favor of filtering
      • science coverage in the papers is slim
      • newspapers like to point out the “one crackpot” not the scientific consensus
      • the press is standing away from libraries until there’s something sensational
    • KD
      • agrees with RA & JL
      • bigger issue: the entire library profession has been pushed into a reactionary stance
      • very little training on how to stop the bullies and be proactive in library schools
      • we need to learn how to be an advocacy force
      • look for that training in your community
      • we risk becoming invisible if we don’t
      • we need to change fast
    • moderator
      • we feel trapped
      • can’t advocate without betraying the sense of neutrality (afraid of that)
      • maybe we’re looking at the issues too narrowly
      • need to find a way to talk about our principles in a way at grounds us, allows us to stay neutral
    • audience
      • by not being neutral
      • librarians should not be neutral
      • library is not neutral, it’s a safe place
      • describing ourselves as neutral we paint ourselves into a corner
    • JL
      • change it a little: we need to be common and neutral ground
      • we’re politically isolated
      • we need to become community activists
      • leave the library, invite people into the library
      • more directly engage the people who set the community perception
    • audience
      • school librarians need to be a reflection of the community in which they teach
      • one of five democrats in the town
      • library needed to be rebuilt
      • put in teen sexuality books into the library
      • all well reviewed and accepted
      • parents went ballistic
      • needed to write a book challenge policy
      • board had to approve it
      • she was not a reflection of her community
      • board wasn’t happy
      • board chair was upset that librarian had such power to choose
      • said you can monitor what your child reads, but not what my child reads
      • stood up to the bullies on the board
      • got policy adopted
      • next librarian got rid of all those books
    • moderator
      • it’s a difficult thing to deal with
      • remain approachable at the reference desk
  • Final thoughts
    • KD
      • teach in DU program
      • send student into the profession
      • proud of the work this profession does
    • JL
      • “engaged in a battle of ideas and libraries arm both sides”
    • RA
      • moving forward and fall flat on your face, you’re still moving forward
      • if you settle an issue without debate, you’ve not settled the issue
      • just because I disagree doesn’t mean I don’t like you
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CAL2005: Saturday Keynote: The Julie J. Boucher Memorial Lecture on Intellectual Freedom

Patrica Schroeder, Association of American Publishers & former Democratic representative from Colorado

  • Jefferson must be looking down and wondering “are they still fighting for intellectual freedom”
  • Colorado has always shown leadership on this issue
  • Remembers when the police when into the Tattered Cover and the owner said no. She won that lawsuit.
  • Under the Patriot act, that wouldn’t work
  • AAP news:
    • Unveiled authorsatyourlibrary.org at ALA
    • Work w/ ALA business alliance
    • work w/ ALA leadership
    • Supported library funding especially in NY
    • Work to see how libraries and publishers can work together
    • works w/ PLA leadership
    • working to increase Spanish books in libraries
    • Get caught reading posters
    • Katrina donations w/ ALA
  • The patriot act shows that we’re all in this together
  • what is the status of intellectual freedom in 2005
  • “it’s pretty bad”
  • Bush thinks those that oppose the war are “deeply irresponsible”
  • Why wouldn’t you want people to ask those questions?
  • That’s very troubling
  • abstinence group is fighting a vaccine against uterine cancer because it might increase promiscuity
  • Challenge to American Girls dolls
  • Librarians are on the front line of this issue
  • people are feeling more and more empowered to say “remove that because I said so”
  • What happened to the process?
  • she works w/ K-12 publishers
  • 14 states have moved to teaching intelligent design
  • PA went one way, KS went the other
  • have to put a lot of stuff in textbooks that is someone’s belief, not part of the accepted scientific fact
  • it’s amazing how many people are banning books
  • Harry Potter is the most banned book in the country yet the same people are worried that little boys aren’t reading
  • Also, Captain Underpants
  • They’re reading, quit complaining
  • Book banned in Norwood, CO was on Laura Bush’s top ten reads list
  • We salute you all for your efforts
  • Bill O’Reiley has requested that San Francisco withdraw from the union, because in the last election they banned handgun sales and said no military recruiters in their schools
  • Where are the people who will push back
  • it shouldn’t be just the librarians
  • When kids start going to Islamic school w/ vouchers there’s going to the be complaints
  • in your face attitude is new and bold and getting worse
  • Our forefathers didn’t want to live under theocrats, believed in religious freedom for all
  • “congress shall make no law” how much clearer can it be?
  • Yet we see people trying to interpret that law and make changes
  • the people who don’t like activist judges are installing activist judges
  • Why do they feel empowered today?
  • it goes back to 9/11, Pat Robertson & Jerry Fallwell
  • they’re now defining what gets us rights with god
  • no real punishment for saying anything too radical
  • Robertson’s group was one of the first to get funding for Katrina faith-based aid
  • very powerful religious constituency
  • god shouldn’t be used as a bettering ram in political debates
  • mainstream religions need to pull that back
  • their intensity is overwhelming the majority of citizens
  • this country was supposed to be based on science, reason, and trust in the wisdom of others
  • people should be free from the government to figure out this on their own
  • democratic values are under attack by those who say they’re the pious ones
  • public leaders constantly yield to them
  • Who are they to make those statements (Robertson, ORiley)
  • They’ve become bullies because they keep getting away with it
  • if we let these bullies keep doing this we’re going to be in big trouble
  • critical point on the patriot act
  • passed way too fast
  • dream list for law enforcement agencies
  • nobody bothered to read it
  • did give it a expiration date (end of this year) unless renewed
  • Told the AAP needed to go after those senators
  • senators kept canceling the appointments
  • finally got in to express their opinion, the senate bill is better
  • FBI’s been sending national security letters
  • gag order on person who receives the letter
  • no court oversight, 60 people in FBI who can authorize these letters
  • Pre patriot act, 300/year w/ court review
  • Post patriot act, 30,000/year
  • They have been doing this in libraries despite saying they haven’t
  • Doe case in CT
  • Senate bill sets limits including return of irrelevant records and directly tied to terrorism
  • House has twice killed the Sanders amendment
  • passed but republicans kept votes open longer than usual (1st time)
  • Taken out of bill in appropriations committee (2nd time)
  • go back and look at the first gulf war
  • people went into bookstores to buy books on Islam and the middle east
  • probably also checking them out of the library
  • university presses were doing great
  • patriot act can get those records and make those people look like sympathizers
  • this can have a chilling effect on what people will buy/check out
  • we should trust the individual to make a good decision
  • Freedom to read principle is the core of what we believe in
  • you need the first amendment for an informed citizenship and therefore a good government
  • Let’s hope the patriot act is at least softened in the next few days
  • we shouldn’t constantly in code red
  • Other things:
  • AR school district book challenges
  • Freedom to read foundation (CT Doe case)
  • led amicus effort to challenge filter mandates
  • we need to continue to work together
  • more challenges are to come in the next three years of this administration
  • We need to continue to fight back
  • Google concerns:
    • amazed libraries are letting google copy for free
    • why a for-profit company?
    • what does the library get out of it?
    • Google wants all the information in the world on their servers
    • What if Fox News bought google?
    • I love google’s search engine
    • authors are concerned that people are getting it for free
    • here’s the content going to come from if google kills authors’ willing to publish?
    • creators are the peasants, google makes the profit
    • privacy issues
    • targeted advertising
    • salute ALA in they’re not taking a postion
    • we need to talk about it
    • worried about the depth of scholarship from this
    • teaching ADD if you’re not born with it
  • optimistic
  • people are starting to get worried over the diminishing of their liberties
  • people aren’t quivering as much over the administrations statements
  • Movie “Good Night and Good Luck” (Murrow taking on McCarthy) should be required viewing for every American
  • Maybe journalism will become professional again
  • Thanks librarians for being on the front lines, you’ve done a great job
  • I continue to support you.
  • Q&A
    • ME: Google snippet question
      • That’s not what she meant (what was written)
      • Google gets to define what a snippet is
    • Rick Aston: “Librarians are the enemy” in dealing with the DMCA
      • Felt like a piñata when dealing with librarian on the issue
      • Librarians kept telling her she was wrong and she believes that’s now over as an issue
    • Please comment on AAP plan to license libraries to pay a license fee for a book that’s purchased
      • Says they’re not promoting that
      • licensing has been discussed vis a vie google & yahoo etc.
    • what is your opinion on blogging and wikis related to journalism
    • not sure what she thinks about that
    • is wikipedia accurate? not sure…
    • questioner’s point is that it has a big social significance
    • how do they know which bloggers have the biggest audience?
    • are bloggers journalists?
    • Doesn’t realty understand how they’re proved valid and who reads them
    • “Harpy effect”
    • How much time in the day is there to read it all?
    • Comment on the fact that someone wasn’t punished enough, should he have been punished at all if congress “shall make no law”
      • But the example she was using involved a government/military official forcing religion on their subordinates
      • Officials should not use their position to force a religions viewpoint
    • RE: Patriot Act, if we all emailed out legislators today, would it do any good
      • Please do
      • it’s not going to go away, but supporting the senate version would help
      • they need to deal with it before xmas break or it will go through as the administration wants
    • Comment: Brit libraries were considering the licensing issue
    • Comment: When the other side is so intense & angry, we need tools to diffuse the anger, couldn’t the publishers promote books on how to diffuse anger.
      • Non-fiction market has increased significantly recently
      • History books (1776, John Addams, August 1965) now big
      • How to break into the market of those who aren’t reading
      • We don’t have a place to go to talk to people who don’t agree with us
      • Book: “Bowling Alone”
      • Get it out to TV & Cable instead of reality shows
    • How would you categorize censorship on the publisher side
      • It’s an area we deal with
      • K-12, “good math books are not in the schools, these are the good ones”
      • “terror problem” in the marketplace
      • More in the schools than everywhere else
      • intelligent design, abstinence, morality
      • “the text books are wrong”
      • CA & TX are so powerful in selecting textbooks, what they say is what goes

CAL2005: Thoughts on the sound system

They’re holding the keynotes in the Columbine Ballroom. I like the music they’re playing while we’re waiting for the speakers, but its way too loud. It’s difficult to hear the person sitting next to you when holding a conversation.

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CAL2005: Thoughts on the trustee track

All of the trustee workshops are being held on the top floor of the Marriott in the presidential suite, ten floors above the rest of the conference. This morning I thought about this on the drive in. Why are the trustees being separated from the rest of the conference? Why are we being placed “on high”?

A conference committee member told me that three years ago, there wasn’t any trustee workshops at all and that two years ago he had rented a suite to do just that. Last year was the first time that there were official trustee events and that the plan is to slowly integrate the trustee events into the rest of the conference over the next few years.

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CAL2005: Thoughts on the number of sessions

To the conference committee: Today, during the 11am-noon time period, there are 16 concurrent sessions. I understand the want to offer as many different sessions as possible but this is way to many. It’s hard to choose. There are four different sessions that I’m interested in attending. Also, this divides the conference attendees into way to many small groups, limiting groups to about 15-20 people. Fewer sessions would allow for larger attendance to any one session, improving group participation and discussion.

I asked someone on the conference committee about this and they said the number of workshops was to counter the past complaints that there were not enough sessions that attendees were interested in. I guess I’d just say that there’s got to be balance that can be found.

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